The Kimber has been 100 % reliable and extremely accurate with better sights than the Colt . Anyway, serial number starting with NM is US made. Compare the dimensions and specs of Kimber 1911 Pro and Springfield 1911 EMP. After that no problems what so ever and I have ran some shit bulk ammo thru it. Anything you pick I would be willing to bet you will enjoy it, but I am a fanboy for a 1911. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. Just my cents worth. Also Kimber customer service doesn't always properly diagnose and fix issues with their guns. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 11 of 11 Posts. Around 750+ rounds fired. I think you'll do fine with offerings from either manufacturer, but my next will be a Kimber Ultra CDP for carry. Very easy process. 45 ACP . I don't know about Kimbers customer service, because I havn't needed it but from what I've read it seems that people are pretty much satisfied with the return time and quality of repair, I've heard negative comments about Kimber service and I've read negative comments about Springfield service, seems to be a dead heat. Compare the dimensions and specs of Kimber Micro 9 and Springfield 1911 EMP safety and they have been using it for quite some time now. Springfield has the ILS, but that is relatively inoffensive, and can easily be replaced. Solid construction. They made a name for themselves when they were in Clackamas and have pissed on it every chance they've gotten since moving to Yonkers. Both are very accurate, dependable 1911s. Regards, Richard. The Kimber doesn't like really cheap gun show special magazines (which I have a bunch of). I wasn't impressed. Thanks Find a Retailer That was a real piece of crap. I not had any issue with my Kimber Stainless II. The best value in a modern 1911 is a toss up between Springfield Armory and Sig. Here goes. Also changed the springs to all Wolff. Pass on the Remington unless you get a great deal. My kimber had to have the slide catch replaced out of the box. Springfield MilSpec SS 1911 A-1 vs Kimber Stainless TLE II I am new again to this 1911.org forum after a long leave of absence. At first glance, it may seem somewhat odd to read a story comparing a 1911 with a CZ 75. EDIT: Also in that price range the Ruger SR1911 is worth looking at. That being said I did have a few problems with the Kimber out of the box. PLUS it's made in AMERICA... Everybody keeps talking about Kimber's "new fangled" safety. Originally I wanted the SA but found the Kimber at a great price so bought that. I have a S.A. ultra compact and a Kimber compact. The people at the factory are always friendly and are just a phone call away to answer any question you have no matter how simple or complicated. Sig's Officer frames have a 3.3-inch barrel; the Kimber Ultra pistols have a 3-inch barrel. I'm looking to purchase my first Handgunn, and here is my dilema, I've been reading up on both, but I'm not sure which to get a Kimber Custom Royal II, which I would add nightsights to, or a Springfield Parkerized 1911-A1 loaded, which comes with night sights. I just joined the 1911 forum because I am going to buy a 1911 and wanted some help on which one to get. Added a Kimber mainspring with mag well and couldn't be happier. I believe it's because the thing needs to be oiled generously and often and the extractor needs to be cleaned often as well. My local Dealer gets $610.00 for a Kimber Custom Classic and a little more for a Springfield Loaded, btw, my Springfield was the Loaded model. They were on Bud's just yesterday for about 800, already sold out. Now, I do not like the Schwartz safety that Kimber has incorporated in their current production line, nor do I think it is needed. 1911 EMP. I have five KIMBERS, Would I trade one for a S.A. ? I own Kimber, SIG & S&W and commonly work on Colt and Springfield in the 1911 platform. No, 1911s and Glocks represent something altogether different, as the very soul of the firearm is at the heart of the debate. The meltdown treatment had much fewer sharp edges. This year, I bought a 9mm RO and I really like shooting it. But I just wanted to know everyone's thoughts on which of these two guns to get. All of my Kimbers shot well and I never had a problem with any of them and they were accurate and well finished. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Mostly .22 and trap. Just my opinion. I would only ever buy a Series I Kimber (i.e., used) if I had to make the choice again with the knowledge I now have. I have owned four Kimbers and owned seven Colt 1911s. As the other posters said these are both very good weapons. Shooters with more experience than I had learned that GI spec magazines designed for 230-grain round-nose Full Metal Jacket weren’t … Also I've seen mil-specs with pretty loose fits before and every loaded I've come across has been very tight. I had to have the plunger tube repaired at about 500 rounds on the S.A. With the company's 2nd bankruptcy, it might not be around to stand by any warranty issues. From my personal experience, Springfield had less failures and was simply more reliable than the Kimber Custom II and the Kimber TLE II that I had tried. One step away from throwing it into a lake and heard about a 1911 gunsmith in my parent's hometown. I recently picked up a Scprpion for myself and consider it to be a potential prize. I can get a really good deal on both a new Kimber and a new Springfield. Its what I did and was able to put close to 6000 rounds down range over the course of about 9 months before I bought my 1911. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Instead of taking a basic 1911 and dressing it up, they have taken a competition 1911 and dressed it down. Differences Between Sig 1911 vs Kimber 1911 Pistols Let’s go over some minor differences. I am either going to get the Springfield Mil-Spec or the Kimber Custom II. The LGS has a Springfield TRP and Kimber TLE II new in stock. Springfield also makes such a pistol, but it's the GI, not the Mil-Spec. Built on a foundation of tradition, Springfield Armory’s cutting-edge 1911 family stands ready to deliver. My vote goes for the Springfield. Because this one is about more than just comparing two companies. It had to be sent back and they promptly took care of it, even throwing in a magwell and full length grips for my trouble. (+ Point Kimber) I have heard all the problems Kimber has had. I had the Springfield trigger worked on around 10 years ago (to match the Kimber) and had night sights put on it this spring. I just cannot get over the external extractor Kimber Shooting Community is a great place to start. I just replaced my Lightweight Champion Loaded with the 45ACP. No problems, love the look and a good price...highly recommend. Dollar for dollar kimber hands down. Written by: Travis P Self Defense 23 Comments Print This Article. I have two Kimber .45s and I have never had a FTF or FTL with either model, with hundreds of rounds downrange. A guy at work is looking for a 1911 and wants to buy my Kimber TLE II. What is the difference between the loaded and mil-spec? It had been accurized and fitted with BoMar sights by the master USAF pistol team armorers at Lackland Air Force Base when its former owner was an airman. Springfield 100%. Did this to my Springfield Loaded not too long ago. I'm not sure how much the price of the mil-spec you're looking at is but a Springfield loaded parkerized can be had for 750-850. Of course the springfield feels much nicer in the hand. XDM vs. Kimber 1911. It shoots great, has an incredible trigger and I've had nary a hitch with it that couldn't be related to oversized reloads. When I went through this drill I ended up with the Kimber but would not have cried if I had selected the Springfield. I've already decided. I like the loaded better than the RO, just dislike the adjustable sights on the 1911. The Moros were Muslims residing in the Southern Philippines and the conflict in question was the P… Colts.........Did I Mention I Love Colts? My Springfield (loaded) needed to have sharp edges rounded for carry and the rear sight locked down. It isn't a huge deal, however I am looking for something to shoot occasionally with my dad (10 times a year maybe) and recreationally. From my personal experience, Springfield had less failures and was simply more reliable than the Kimber Custom II and the Kimber TLE II that I had tried. I have a stainless S.A. thats had a thousand rounds thru it without a hitch. Given the choice between the Springfield MilSpec and the Kimber Custom, I would choose the Kimber. I am getting my first firearm and the 1911 .45 seemed the the obvious choice. If you do have a FTF with a springfield it's probably a mag issue in my experience. at least 50 or 60 hand guns. A-O's is actually the closer clone, because the Springfield uses non-authentic grip panels, and has the lock in the mainspring housing. Featuring forged major components, a Springfield Armory 1911 is built for a lifetime of service. I didn't know Colt was making non-80s in their lineup, maybe they are, but none of the Springfield's are. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. NO I have friends who own both, They favor the KIMBER. Here is my spin. Sent back to Kimber (HORRIBLE customer service, btw), came back with the same problem. you're swapping a trim compact rather concealable pistol for a freaking boat anchor! I like the TPR and know the rep that Springfield has. Just my preference I have a series 70 with adjustables on it and would honestly lime the replace them with something else. I don't have any direct experience with the series II grip safety FP block system, but it doesn't seem like a very good idea - I don't believe in ANY "safety devices" with the potential to reder a pistol inoperable - JMHO - georgestrings. I bought my first Springfield 1911 in 2003. SPringfield Loaded series all the way. This is the perfect opportunity to wax poetic about firearms history for a bit. Hey Thanks everybody, keep the comments coming, but I do have another question are the Springfields made in Brazil? EDIT: Spelling. Springfield Vs Colt Vs Kimber 1911 And Wilson Colt 1911 Parts is best in online store. I also have a series 80 Colt Government Model, a Colt Commander, an SA GI and an SA Ultra Compact. JavaScript is disabled. When it came time to purchase my own 1911, I went with the Springfield Loaded. I had a couple FTF with a few hollow points I was trying out within the first 200rds or so. All of my Colts were also excellent, accurate, dependable, and well finished. a few years ago, I bought a Kimber Pro Carry II and I enjoyed shooting it. IMHO I wouldnt buy a 1911 .45 as your first firearm. Sig 1911 pistols employ an external extractor, Kimber pistols use the traditional internal extractor. I give the nod to the Kimber. NRA-USAF (SAC) Vietnam era Vet, Kimber Custom Defender II-Girsan 1911.45 (Hard Chrome)Franchi I-12 Diamond Semi-Auto engraved Shotgun, Mauser 8 MM Sport rifle, High Standard .22 Revolver,.22 Rifle, 20 Gage Shotgun, Phoenix HP.22 Pistol, Ruger SR22 Pistol. The firing pin block is an abomination, but they used to make guns without them. So a competition shooter isn't needed, but reliability is priority number 1. Calibers: 9mm Luger . I'm considering selling it and buying a Springfield range officer or loaded. Frankly, I've had pretty darned good luck with both SA and Kimber. Money is a little bit of a factor. Kimber has goos pistols, bit they are now pricing themselves into the semi-custom market. Mine is parkerized black (the photo is currently floating of the first page of r/1911). I prefer Kimber, the springfields look great and are priced great as well. The sights on the Springfield will have to be replaced with a tri-dot similar to what is on the Kimber. All the Kimber needed was night sights, the fit and feel of the Kimber is much nicer, but they both function perfectly. The Springfield was nothing but a headache from a loose plunger tube, a mag release that left me with a loose mag when inserted that you could push about an eighth of an inch and a barrel link that didn't allow a good lockup and a finish that about as durable as latex paint on steel. I think the best deal in 1911's is the STI Trojan every one that I have been around has shot wonderful and stood up well to several years of 20 to 30,000 rounds per year. I would advise you to buy a 9mm to start and work your way up to the .45. All of my Springers have been excellent guns. Both come out to about the same price, so on a mark for mark, just comparing firearms, which is the better firearm? Can't knock their customer service. My question is how would the folks in this Kimber forum compare functionality, reliability and overall performance between the SA Armory stainless MilSpec 1911 A-1 to the Kimber Custom TLE II (LG) in SS? The platform’s title is a dead giveaway to the year the gun went into production but did you know there’s a cool backstory, too? I am just the opposite with the springfield. I looked at Kimbers and Springfields as well as several other weapons when I went looking. From ultra-compact EMP pistols to longslide 10mm TRPs, there is a 1911 available for practically any application. The gun I purchased is the Stainless Gold Match. I was looking for it in stainless, and the RO doesn't come in stainless (from what I can tell). Most 4" or 5" models will weigh more than the XD (36-40oz vs 30 oz for the XD), unless you get a LWt model which weigh about 27oz. Hello and welcome. If I had to choose between the two......I would choose a Colt! The 1911 is as American as apple pie, and the CZ 75 was born behind an iron curtain of communism. Cookies help us deliver our Services. My Kimber has required no work what so ever. A non-II Kimber is ok. I have a Kimber CDP Pro II. Handgun Search; Tabletop Compare; Contribute; Contact; Kimber . I have a Kimber, I love it. Many Sigs are available in MA but not all colors and models. Just over 100 rounds (brand new). It seems that you either get a lemon or you get the greatest gun, from what I've read on many forums. It came with magazines I hadn’t seen before, their lips flared toward the front instead of tapered. The Auto-Ordnance 1911 is a close copy of the WW2 M1911A1. SAO Compact Pistol ... Kimber 1911 Pro . Kimber is a bull barrel , Colt bushing . It was my first time stripping a 1911 past a basic field strip and/or swapping parts. They were great. SAO Full-Sized Pistol . Between the two I would definitely take the Kimber, having owned both guns I now only own the Kimber. I shot my friend's and it is very nice. It was done quickly and very well. You are definitely on the right track. Took it there, had the guy go over it stem to stern. The Colt has the Series 80 mechanical firing pin safety I think. Loaded owner here. I am looking at the Kimber Stainless TLE II and the Springfield Mil-Spec in stainless. At the age of nineteen or so, I got my second 1911, a pre-Gold Cup Colt National Match that had been produced circa 1962. I have an earlier Kimber that doesn't have the new fangled safety. I like the fact that it's the same gun LAPD SWAT it using. The SA 1911 models are fine weapons. I was looking at their higher end guns and the fit and finish on the kimber was much better in my opinion. Based on my experience, I inform those who are interested to stay away from Kimber. I actually own both , a Kimber Pro TLE and Colt Combat Commander . FTF all the damn time well past the break in period. Of my 4 1911 10mm variants, two are DW, one is a Ruger and one is a 1990 Colt Delta Gold Cup. Back in the late 1800’s – and I mean really late, as in 1899 – the United States was involved in a battle with the Moros. I would go with the Mil-spec and after you ran about 500 rounds through it (you may have to have the extractor tuned) take the savings and add the things you feel you need, which for me is only grips. Thats 2-3 failures to completely chamber the round in nearly 12k rounds through the gun. Kimber, Springfield, S&W, Colt and most other guns these days are built to be looked at or carried not shot on a regular basis. I'd rather put my money into a Springfield, And since the Springfield 1911 Mil-Spec is priced about $100-$200 less than the Magnum Research 1911, I'd be just fine with the Springfield. It appears to have a very good build from the factory and other than the trigger I don't see any quick changes. My 1911 gunsmith told me to buy a mil spec 1911 $550-650 and for about another $1000 it would keep up with my caspian. The frame and slide are forged in Brazil, and then (according to their website) they are assembled one at a time in Geneseo, Illinois. 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